I admit I thought Penn State had a chance to be a sleeper in the Big Ten this season. I said they had a chance to finish as high as 5th in the league this year (though I also said they could finish 14th and it wouldn't surprise me). As usual, I'm an idiot and they are terrible. They're 1-6 in conference play, which is actually worse than the Gophers if you can believe that. That lone win came against Rutgers at home, and outside of a nice win over George Washington there isn't a single thing in their schedule they can be proud of. The next best things are home wins over Akron and a 6-point road loss to Michigan State. It's been that kind of season.
I thought Penn State could be a sleeper because they had an "elite" player (depends on how you want to define elite though) and a bunch of returning upperclassmen. Hasn't quite worked out. D.J. Newbill (the "elite" guy) is pretty much playing out of his mind (22 points, 4.5 rebs, 3.1 assists per game with good shooting percentages) but nobody has stepped up to help.
Brandon Taylor is shooting the ball a ton but has stopped driving and become a jump shooter which has killed his percentages, and his increased ball handling has turned him into a turnover machine. Ross Travis is still an elite rebounder but has pretty much completely checked out offensively and is 5-29 on free throws this year (5-29!!!!). John Johnson, one of the only perimeter threats on the team, has been suspended indefinitely for being a bad boy. Donovan Jack turns the ball over whenever he touches it, Jordan Dickerson shoots 46% and he's 7-1, and Geno Thorpe has done the opposite of improve in his sophomore year. Freshman Shep Garner is having a nice season and he's going to be an outstanding four year player for the Nittany Lions in the Tim Frazier/Talor Battle mode (called it!) but he's the only one outside of Newbill who's not having a terrible season.
If the Gophers go zone, and they should, barring a monster game from Newbill (certainly possible) they should be able ton hold Penn State down. The Nittany Lions don't move the ball well with just 42% of their baskets coming off an assist (341st in the country) and they don't shoot the 3 well at just 32.8% (218th) - both of which are sort of keys when going up against a zone defense. Only Newbill and Garner - both at 36% - are credible three point shooters with Johnson in detention. Taylor will shoot 'em and he is 8-15 over his last 3 games so the Gophers should probably guard him and stuff, but overall this year he's been pretty brutal (prior to this hot streak he went 4-26). Letting most of the team bomb away should be to the Gophers' advantage.
Outside of that they're pretty average at most stuff, and I don't mean average for a Big 10 team I mean average for a division I team which includes all 344 teams. They foul a ton, don't create any turnovers, and are pretty lackluster at just about everything. They don't get the ball stolen from them much, which could be interesting since it's a Gopher strong point, and they defend ok but nothing special. It's a disappointing and not very scary team, and one the Gophers should be able to deal with.
That "should be" is really the key. I feel strongly enough to guarantee you the Gophers have an 8-12 point lead at some point in the second half. It's a Big Ten road game, and we've seen what happens to this team when they have a late lead. Is the win over Illinois enough to get this team back on track and confident enough to close this one out? Probably not but I'm rolling with it.
Minnesota 70, Penn State 62.
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Wednesday, January 28, 2015
Monday, October 6, 2014
Big 10 Basketball Preview: #11 Penn State
Now Tim Frazier, like Talor Battle is gone. The next version may have just arrived in University Park (more on him later) but for now at least the cupboard isn't totally bare as the Nittany Lions bring back an all-league player (I assume, I didn't look this up) in D.J. Newbill, the second leading returning scorer in the conference at 17.8 points per game. Newbill doesn't have the all-around game Frazier had, but he was a more efficient scorer (50.2 vs. 46.3 eFG%) despite a higher usage rate, and he out-rebounded Frazier 4.9 vs. 4.4 per game while coming in second on the team in assists. He really is an excellent scorer, hitting double figures in 31 of 34 games last year, and also very consistent, as he never scored more than 25 in a game. That'll probably be different this year.
After Newbill you have five guys who are pretty much known commodities, seeing as they're all juniors or seniors. Ross Travis is the tough bang around rebounder, Brandon Taylor is the stretch four, Donovan Jack is the athlete, John Johnson is the shooter, and Jordan Dickerson is the seven footer. The good news is these guys are all experienced, all have a skill, and mostly all have size (only Johnson at 6-1 is smaller than 6-6). The not as good news is this is basically the same team from last year that went 6-12 in conference, except without their best player.
There's certainly upside here. With this many older players it increases the likelihood that one or more of them make more than a marginal improvement over last season and it's possible somebody becomes a solid second banana. Travis could develop a more complete offensive game and/or completely dominate the boards. Taylor or Jack could become an elite scorer. Johnson could destroy from the 3-point line or Dickerson could become a paint destroyer. That's why I'd say of all the lower division teams (as I'm predicting) I think Penn State has the most potential to jump up and surprise. Of course it's equally likely these guys are who we think they are, and they finish 11th. It will be especially difficult for anyone to make a big jump without a real playmaker, and that's why Shep Garner is so important.
Garner, a freshman guard from Philly, ranks as the 34th point guard in the country per ESPN, just three spots behind our own Nate Mason. The interesting thing to me is how similar his profile sounds to Tim Frazier's when he was a freshman: great instincts, lightning quick, ability to play either guard spot equally well, attacks the rim, needs to add strength. great ball handler and passer, under control, high basketball IQ - it's all here. Now it's a pretty bold statement to say this kid will come in and be the next Tim Frazier so I know it sounds crazy and probably won't happen, but if it does, remember you heard it here first. Plus he's from Philly and was basically a Penn State commit the minute he was born, so if does end up good we'll be tortured by that story over and over again and the universe likes to annoy me so.......
Anyway, PSU is a hard team for me to figure out. They could finish anywhere from 5th to 14th and it wouldn't shock me. Plus things are looking up with two ESPN Top 100 recruits already on board for 2015. Two more than the Gophers, FYI.
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After Newbill you have five guys who are pretty much known commodities, seeing as they're all juniors or seniors. Ross Travis is the tough bang around rebounder, Brandon Taylor is the stretch four, Donovan Jack is the athlete, John Johnson is the shooter, and Jordan Dickerson is the seven footer. The good news is these guys are all experienced, all have a skill, and mostly all have size (only Johnson at 6-1 is smaller than 6-6). The not as good news is this is basically the same team from last year that went 6-12 in conference, except without their best player.
There's certainly upside here. With this many older players it increases the likelihood that one or more of them make more than a marginal improvement over last season and it's possible somebody becomes a solid second banana. Travis could develop a more complete offensive game and/or completely dominate the boards. Taylor or Jack could become an elite scorer. Johnson could destroy from the 3-point line or Dickerson could become a paint destroyer. That's why I'd say of all the lower division teams (as I'm predicting) I think Penn State has the most potential to jump up and surprise. Of course it's equally likely these guys are who we think they are, and they finish 11th. It will be especially difficult for anyone to make a big jump without a real playmaker, and that's why Shep Garner is so important.
Garner, a freshman guard from Philly, ranks as the 34th point guard in the country per ESPN, just three spots behind our own Nate Mason. The interesting thing to me is how similar his profile sounds to Tim Frazier's when he was a freshman: great instincts, lightning quick, ability to play either guard spot equally well, attacks the rim, needs to add strength. great ball handler and passer, under control, high basketball IQ - it's all here. Now it's a pretty bold statement to say this kid will come in and be the next Tim Frazier so I know it sounds crazy and probably won't happen, but if it does, remember you heard it here first. Plus he's from Philly and was basically a Penn State commit the minute he was born, so if does end up good we'll be tortured by that story over and over again and the universe likes to annoy me so.......
Anyway, PSU is a hard team for me to figure out. They could finish anywhere from 5th to 14th and it wouldn't shock me. Plus things are looking up with two ESPN Top 100 recruits already on board for 2015. Two more than the Gophers, FYI.
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#12 NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS
#13 PURDUE BOILERMAKERS
#14 RUTGERS SCARLET KNIGHTS
Tuesday, January 7, 2014
Game Preview: Gophers vs. Penn State
The Gophers head into State College to take on Penn State, and as usual the Nittany Lions aren't necessarily very good, but can still be dangerous. Given that conference road games are usually a little dicey, I don't exactly have a great feeling about this one. They haven't really done much since they beat St. John's back in November, losing to Ole Miss, Pitt, Princeton, Michigan State, and Illinois since then, but I'm scared anyway. Penn State can look really good - like when they scored 47 points in the first half against the Spartans - and they can look really bad - such as when they scored 16 in the second half of that same game. Last time out Penn State scored just 55 points on less than 30% shooting against Illinois, so it'll be on the Gophers to sack up and play some defense and beat this team down.
Penn State can hurt you in a variety of ways what with five players who averaged double figures in scoring. It all starts with do everything point guard Tim Frazier (averaging 17 points, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds per game) although good news for the Gophers is he's been horrible in Big Ten play this year, shooting 6-23 while averaging just 8.5 points and 3 assists. Frazier's overall numbers are in line with his career levels, but he's just been held down by a couple of very good defenses. Given that the Gophers' are struggling defensively this year, Frazier is a great player who is due to bounce back in a big way, and home games have a tendency to help get slumps straightened out, I'm more than a little afraid of Frazier in this game.
Of course, Frazier isn't even their leading scorer. That would be 6-4 shooting guard D.J. Newbill, who is averaging 18 per game and has only been held under 15 once this season (last game against Illinois). Newbill is a pretty solid scorer who can get to the rim and has a good mid-range jumper. He can also knock down the three pointer (43% this year) although it's not his main skill. If Penn State has a guy who will kill the Gophers with threes it's probably Josh Johnson, a transfer from Pitt who hit 38% two seasons ago. He just became eligible three games ago and has gone 6-10 from behind the arc in those games while scoring 18+ points twice. Two bench guards, Graham Woodward (from Minnesota yay!) and Allen Roberts are three-point specialists who the Gophers have to hope don't get hot.
Penn State's front court is pretty much made up of three guys: The athletic stretch 4 who can block shots and hit threes in Brandon Taylor, the gritty, hustly, dirty work rebounder in Ross Travis, and the guy who comes off the bench in Donovan Jack. All three are just good enough to have a monster game and throw everything out of whack - Taylor had 18 points with 5 threes against Michigan State, Travis had 17 points and 13 rebounds against Ole Miss, and Jack scored 18 against both LaSalle and Marshall. Given the Gophers issues with dribble penetration and interior defense, expect at least one of these guys to go off. The Nittany Lions also have a seven footer in sophomore Jordan Dickerson, but he didn't see the court until the last three games, although playing 15 minutes last game against Illinois means he may become a rotation piece and the Gophers could see him.
Overall, I think the Gophers are definitely the better team. They have another point in their favor in that Penn State doesn't have a true center outside of Dickerson, so the Gophers will have opportunities to go with a smaller lineup, and let's face it the team is markedly better when neither Oto Osenieks nor Joey King are on the court. Not in the Gophers' favor is that this is a road game in the Big Ten, and Penn State can score points. The Gophers will just need to make enough jumpers to out score them.
Minnesota 77, Penn State 74
Penn State can hurt you in a variety of ways what with five players who averaged double figures in scoring. It all starts with do everything point guard Tim Frazier (averaging 17 points, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds per game) although good news for the Gophers is he's been horrible in Big Ten play this year, shooting 6-23 while averaging just 8.5 points and 3 assists. Frazier's overall numbers are in line with his career levels, but he's just been held down by a couple of very good defenses. Given that the Gophers' are struggling defensively this year, Frazier is a great player who is due to bounce back in a big way, and home games have a tendency to help get slumps straightened out, I'm more than a little afraid of Frazier in this game.
Of course, Frazier isn't even their leading scorer. That would be 6-4 shooting guard D.J. Newbill, who is averaging 18 per game and has only been held under 15 once this season (last game against Illinois). Newbill is a pretty solid scorer who can get to the rim and has a good mid-range jumper. He can also knock down the three pointer (43% this year) although it's not his main skill. If Penn State has a guy who will kill the Gophers with threes it's probably Josh Johnson, a transfer from Pitt who hit 38% two seasons ago. He just became eligible three games ago and has gone 6-10 from behind the arc in those games while scoring 18+ points twice. Two bench guards, Graham Woodward (from Minnesota yay!) and Allen Roberts are three-point specialists who the Gophers have to hope don't get hot.
Penn State's front court is pretty much made up of three guys: The athletic stretch 4 who can block shots and hit threes in Brandon Taylor, the gritty, hustly, dirty work rebounder in Ross Travis, and the guy who comes off the bench in Donovan Jack. All three are just good enough to have a monster game and throw everything out of whack - Taylor had 18 points with 5 threes against Michigan State, Travis had 17 points and 13 rebounds against Ole Miss, and Jack scored 18 against both LaSalle and Marshall. Given the Gophers issues with dribble penetration and interior defense, expect at least one of these guys to go off. The Nittany Lions also have a seven footer in sophomore Jordan Dickerson, but he didn't see the court until the last three games, although playing 15 minutes last game against Illinois means he may become a rotation piece and the Gophers could see him.
Overall, I think the Gophers are definitely the better team. They have another point in their favor in that Penn State doesn't have a true center outside of Dickerson, so the Gophers will have opportunities to go with a smaller lineup, and let's face it the team is markedly better when neither Oto Osenieks nor Joey King are on the court. Not in the Gophers' favor is that this is a road game in the Big Ten, and Penn State can score points. The Gophers will just need to make enough jumpers to out score them.
Minnesota 77, Penn State 74
Thursday, February 28, 2013
Game Preview: Gophers vs. Nittany Lions
Unfortunately league rules say that the Gophers can't just end the season now and head to the NCAA Tournament and have to finish out their schedule, and as such they will welcome the Penn State Nittany Lions to Williams on Saturday, a game that just got much more interesting with Penn State's home win over Michigan last night. The Nittany Lions show signs of a team coming together with several close calls leading up to this one (a 2-pt loss to Iowa, 8-pt loss at Michigan, and a 5-pt loss at Illinois) so the Gophers can't overlook this one - not that they could anyway.
The Nittany Lions beat Michigan mainly on the strength of great 3-point shooting (10-20), Michigan's poor 3-point shooting (5-20), and forcing a lot of turnovers (15). These are not things Penn State usually does well, ranking 321st in the country in 3-pt shooting (29.1%), 217th in opponent's 3-point shooting (34.5%), and 286th in forcing turnovers (18% of opp. possessions). It sounds like a big fluke, but looking at their three games prior they've made major strides in all three of these categories, and considering the Gophers struggle defending the three and turn the ball over as if they hate it, I feel a bit concerned.
Penn State plays just seven guys, and they mainly rely on two guards - D.J. Newbill and Jermaine Marshall to supply most of the scoring with both averaging north of 15 points per game and accounting for almost exactly 50% of the team's scoring this year (50.4% to be exact). Both guys fit the chucker mold - high shot attempts, low percentages. Newbill is fourth in the league in FGA despite hitting just 41%, while Marshall is 7th and knocks down 39%. Three-pointers don't get much better, with Marshall again 7th in attempts despite just a 33% success rate. Newbill, to his credit, can't hit the three (29%) but also has about a third as many attempts as Marshall. Newbill also has the ability to pass the ball, ranking fourth in the conference with 4.1 assists per game, and rather than settling for jumpers like Marshall mainly does, Newbill attacks the rim and can draw fouls. Although neither is especially terrifying, either one can get hot (Marshall was 6-10 on threes vs. Michigan) and carry a team.
The complementary players all fill a specific role. Ross Travis, who the Gophers didn't need, is a horrific shooter who shoots way too many jump shots, but is a terrific rebounder who will probably annoy you at least once in the game. Sasa Borovnjak is your dopey foreign guy who hangs out in the lane all day but still only gets three rebounds per game. Brandon Taylor is the designated shooter (as much as their can be one with Newbill and Marshall involved) who sits outside and shoots threes all day (second on the team in 3PA) despite only hitting 31% and being 6-7, and Nick Colella is your annoying little walk-on guard dude. Travis, Borovnjak, and Taylor have all had semi-big games (although Taylor hasn't hit double figures since early January) but none of them should be able to do much against the Gophers.
Penn State has two ways to win this game: get crazy hot from three, which would have seemed impossible if it hadn't just happened last night, or catch the Gophers coming out flat, resting on their laurels after the big win against Indiana. I suspect the latter rather than the former to be the biggest danger, but there are a couple factors that I think mitigate that risk. First, Penn State is just as likely to come out flat and content after winning their first game in Big Ten play against a terrific opponent and then having to go on the road. Second, it's seniornight day! The one game in a season when you can count on your team coming out fired up and playing with total emotion. No chance the Gophers come out flat.
I think the most likely scenario is the Gophers come out fired up and ready to play, get a bunch of easy buckets, and push Penn State around until they realize they're completely out of their element, leading to a pretty easy Gopher W.
Minnesota 77, Penn State 53
The Nittany Lions beat Michigan mainly on the strength of great 3-point shooting (10-20), Michigan's poor 3-point shooting (5-20), and forcing a lot of turnovers (15). These are not things Penn State usually does well, ranking 321st in the country in 3-pt shooting (29.1%), 217th in opponent's 3-point shooting (34.5%), and 286th in forcing turnovers (18% of opp. possessions). It sounds like a big fluke, but looking at their three games prior they've made major strides in all three of these categories, and considering the Gophers struggle defending the three and turn the ball over as if they hate it, I feel a bit concerned.
Penn State plays just seven guys, and they mainly rely on two guards - D.J. Newbill and Jermaine Marshall to supply most of the scoring with both averaging north of 15 points per game and accounting for almost exactly 50% of the team's scoring this year (50.4% to be exact). Both guys fit the chucker mold - high shot attempts, low percentages. Newbill is fourth in the league in FGA despite hitting just 41%, while Marshall is 7th and knocks down 39%. Three-pointers don't get much better, with Marshall again 7th in attempts despite just a 33% success rate. Newbill, to his credit, can't hit the three (29%) but also has about a third as many attempts as Marshall. Newbill also has the ability to pass the ball, ranking fourth in the conference with 4.1 assists per game, and rather than settling for jumpers like Marshall mainly does, Newbill attacks the rim and can draw fouls. Although neither is especially terrifying, either one can get hot (Marshall was 6-10 on threes vs. Michigan) and carry a team.
The complementary players all fill a specific role. Ross Travis, who the Gophers didn't need, is a horrific shooter who shoots way too many jump shots, but is a terrific rebounder who will probably annoy you at least once in the game. Sasa Borovnjak is your dopey foreign guy who hangs out in the lane all day but still only gets three rebounds per game. Brandon Taylor is the designated shooter (as much as their can be one with Newbill and Marshall involved) who sits outside and shoots threes all day (second on the team in 3PA) despite only hitting 31% and being 6-7, and Nick Colella is your annoying little walk-on guard dude. Travis, Borovnjak, and Taylor have all had semi-big games (although Taylor hasn't hit double figures since early January) but none of them should be able to do much against the Gophers.
Penn State has two ways to win this game: get crazy hot from three, which would have seemed impossible if it hadn't just happened last night, or catch the Gophers coming out flat, resting on their laurels after the big win against Indiana. I suspect the latter rather than the former to be the biggest danger, but there are a couple factors that I think mitigate that risk. First, Penn State is just as likely to come out flat and content after winning their first game in Big Ten play against a terrific opponent and then having to go on the road. Second, it's senior
I think the most likely scenario is the Gophers come out fired up and ready to play, get a bunch of easy buckets, and push Penn State around until they realize they're completely out of their element, leading to a pretty easy Gopher W.
Minnesota 77, Penn State 53
Sunday, September 26, 2010
Gopher happenings
Lots going on in the nation of the Gopher this weekend. First, Gopher football lost to Northern Illinois, what else is there to say? Take everything that was said after the loss to South Dakota, multiply by 10, and repeat. I was at this game and you could feel the apathy from the crowd the whole way, and the amount of people pouring out of the stadium at halftime was staggering. Not that it's ever been a hot ticket with everything else there is in town, but Gopher football is a joke both in terms of product and fan interest, which is pretty sad considering the beautiful stadium that's just a year old. Pretty amazing accomplishment by Brewster, actually, and the only thing he's accomplished.
It's almost unfortunate the way recruiting works, because that's really the only reason for him to still have a job right now, although he's been doing such a bang up job that having his signees leave might actually improve the team. I mean, he's taken a thoroughly average BCS program in every way and taken it to the bottom. Certainly they are the worst team in the Big Ten, and might very well be the worst BCS football team in the country, a possibility Marcus Fuller wrote about. And Brewster has done this all with a shiny new stadium. Pretty amazing. Not even Dan Monson could have pulled this off.
And speaking of Monson, that would be a good segue into some good news: Tubby and Gopher hoops locked up Joe Coleman of Hopkins for the 2011 season on Friday. I already wrote quite a bit about Coleman here and here, so I won't go over it all again, but needless to say I'm pretty happy about this. Getting the best player in Minnesota each year should be a priority, assuming he's a Big Ten caliber player, and Coleman is far beyond that. He's ranked as #116 overall and the #34 shooting guard by Rivals, #80 and #26 by ESPN, and the #29 small forward by Scout, so it's safe to say he should be a pretty high quality edition.
In other recruiting news, there were a couple interesting developments in other players the Gophers are after. First, Andre Hollins visited campus this weekend, and got to see the football team embarrass itself, but by all accounts enjoyed his visit. He says all five schools on his final list (Minnesota, Harvard, Stanford, Auburn, and Ole Miss) are still tied at the top, but let's hope some of the local talent did their best to swing him in our favor. Also, Josh Oglesby, who had previously whittled his list down to Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Arizona State, has dropped the Illini from consideration so the Gophers are now in the final 3. Both Hollins and Oglesby are combo guards who are pretty much consensus top 150 players so either (or both) would be a quality get.
Lastly, a few recruiting notes around the state (and if you are on Twitter and aren't following Ryan James, you really need to). First, Shelby Moats, who the Gophers were interested in but who I said seemed more suited to a nerd school, once again proved how smart I am by signing on with Vanderbilt. He's perfect for that system and they love their academics, so he can go ahead and join the Tri-Lams without being persecuted. And finally, Chaska's Ross Travis, a player the Gopher never showed a ton of interest in even though there was a segment of the fan base who thought they should, has signed with Penn State. This way we will be able to watch and judge if and to what degree Tubby made a mistake on this kid twice a year. Let's hope his eye for talent is still 20/20.
It's almost unfortunate the way recruiting works, because that's really the only reason for him to still have a job right now, although he's been doing such a bang up job that having his signees leave might actually improve the team. I mean, he's taken a thoroughly average BCS program in every way and taken it to the bottom. Certainly they are the worst team in the Big Ten, and might very well be the worst BCS football team in the country, a possibility Marcus Fuller wrote about. And Brewster has done this all with a shiny new stadium. Pretty amazing. Not even Dan Monson could have pulled this off.
And speaking of Monson, that would be a good segue into some good news: Tubby and Gopher hoops locked up Joe Coleman of Hopkins for the 2011 season on Friday. I already wrote quite a bit about Coleman here and here, so I won't go over it all again, but needless to say I'm pretty happy about this. Getting the best player in Minnesota each year should be a priority, assuming he's a Big Ten caliber player, and Coleman is far beyond that. He's ranked as #116 overall and the #34 shooting guard by Rivals, #80 and #26 by ESPN, and the #29 small forward by Scout, so it's safe to say he should be a pretty high quality edition.
In other recruiting news, there were a couple interesting developments in other players the Gophers are after. First, Andre Hollins visited campus this weekend, and got to see the football team embarrass itself, but by all accounts enjoyed his visit. He says all five schools on his final list (Minnesota, Harvard, Stanford, Auburn, and Ole Miss) are still tied at the top, but let's hope some of the local talent did their best to swing him in our favor. Also, Josh Oglesby, who had previously whittled his list down to Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Arizona State, has dropped the Illini from consideration so the Gophers are now in the final 3. Both Hollins and Oglesby are combo guards who are pretty much consensus top 150 players so either (or both) would be a quality get.
Lastly, a few recruiting notes around the state (and if you are on Twitter and aren't following Ryan James, you really need to). First, Shelby Moats, who the Gophers were interested in but who I said seemed more suited to a nerd school, once again proved how smart I am by signing on with Vanderbilt. He's perfect for that system and they love their academics, so he can go ahead and join the Tri-Lams without being persecuted. And finally, Chaska's Ross Travis, a player the Gopher never showed a ton of interest in even though there was a segment of the fan base who thought they should, has signed with Penn State. This way we will be able to watch and judge if and to what degree Tubby made a mistake on this kid twice a year. Let's hope his eye for talent is still 20/20.
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